i say james cunningham, the ambassador to iraq, was to israel. james cunningham. susan rice, from fantasy to reality, i say in reality the likely choice will be susan rice for this job. the secretary of defense you had a hoosier in the secretary of defense. i do see duke lugar here. you think that he will cross the aisle, the president will go for a republican secretary of defense? >> he could go for olympia snow, who was on the intelligence committee. you could put snow over at defense. i think john kerry has a strong case to make for defense. putting a republican, it works with bob gates it could work again. >> william cohen too. >> absolutely. >> bob kerry for you joe tell me about bob kerry. he lost in the senate race. they owe him a favor? >> they owe him big time. if indiana is going to be the bread basket of the cabinet members, i say let's go outside that particular box. bob kerry of nebraska, war veteran, knows what it's like to be in combat, kind of an innovative thinker president of the new school in new york, very creative outside the box kind of guy t